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Season 2, Episodes 13 and 14: Surprise and Innocence

In this episode!

We are thrilled to report on two episodes! Katherine promised Mark it was a game changer, and he agreed!

  • Mark makes a great comment to start off that it was great seeing these episodes after watching the previous two. In his opinion, “Ted” was the least Buffy episode, and “Bad Eggs” was the worst Buffy episode; finally, we have episodes worthy to sink our teeth into.
  • Katherine explains a little about the history, in that Buffy was on Monday nights, but Joss cleverly arranged to have Surprise shown on Jan. 19, and Innocence shown the following night, a Tuesday, as the new default Buffy show night.
  • Mark says these definitively were  game changing episodes, and he didn’t predict anything that happened. He pointed out that Buffy and Angel’s romance was stopped; Angel returns to being a bad vampire; Jenny gets busted; Xander and Cordy’s relationship heats up and is exposed; Willow’s character sharpens…
  • Mark was really excited when Angel quoted The Four Tops: “Just look over your shoulder, and I’ll be there.” This is why Katherine has Mark as a side-kick. Great catch!
  • Katherine agrees with all of Mark’s comments about the exciting moments, but she is possibly most excited about Drusilla and Spike. Katherine loves how Angelus alters the dynamic. A favorite moment is when the Judge sees Angelus. Spike assumes Angelus will be destroyed, but it is Spike and Dru that stink of humanity; Angelus has zero humanity. Whew.
  • Mark’s one disappointment in the episode is the whole “weapon forged by man” thing. He expected it to be a brick or somesuch. Katherine tried to defend this but couldn’t seem to get the words factory out of her mouth. Am I right gang? How do you defend the use of the Howitzer?
  • We both loved the dream sequences. Buffy’s dreams are prophetic. Another glorious sigh as seeds are planted.
  • Mark had another great catch: no Giles intro to the episode.
  • Katherine points out the significance of the “hippo has pants” comment from Willow.
  • Mark is dying to know if there is any significance to Jenny’s license plate. Do any of our fans know? And Mark loves Giles’s car.
  • Katherine points out that there is a reference to the first episode and the discussion of carpe diem with Willow.
  • Mark gave an abbreviated fashion report:
    • Mark says Buffy should not have worn those clogs. Katherine points out that Buffy’s footwear is pretty much always inappropriate
    • Mark says Xander’s camel hair hockey sweater was a daring choice
  • Mark and Katherine argue about Jenny. I believe that Katherine won this debate.
  • Mark did wonder if Angel might not be really evil and that this was a deception. Interesting for the future, right gang?
  • Katherine shares her introduction to Buffy when listening to an NPR story about Angel’s becoming a monster after Buffy’s loss of her virginity. Good memories.
  • Mark is really impressed with the relationship between Buffy and Angel. Joss does a great job of capturing the pain and the angst.
  • We are both fascinated by Angelus. We feel Spike’s pain—he just wants Angelus to end Buffy. But Angelus likes to torture and torment.
  • We feel bad for Buffy. It’s her birthday, she has lost her virginity to someone she loved, and her boy friend is a monster. Katherine suggests that despite all the other terrible things that Buffy has lived through, this may be the worst thing she has experienced.
  • Katherine explained that when these episodes aired, the Buffy fandom went crazy. They were so upset about what happened to Buffy and Angel. Joss was asked about this and said, in typical Joss Whedon fashion (and why I love him so much): “What people want is not what they need.”  Mark loved this and said that it reminded him of what Katherine told him during the first episode that “no one is immune.”
  • We both agree that another reason why Joss is a genius is because in a Buffy episode, everybody has a role and a reason for being in the scene. For example, Mark loves Oz witnessing his first vampire slaying. We adore Oz.
  • Mark also loves Oz’s response to Willow’s romantic overture. Oz is always authentic. We want to be Oz.
  • Great discussion about Xander and friendship. Mark says the reason why Katherine loves Xander is because he exhibits true loyalty and friendship. The example Mark gives is when the Scoobies thought Angel and Buffy might be dead, it is Xander and Willow, who threw out logic, but loyally planned on trying to save the day and their friends, if possible. Mark said that sometimes people will claim to be friends and will do anything for you, but then there are those few who actually turn up. Xander and Willow are those friends. True friends.
  • Katherine and Mark argue over Dru and Spike. Mark just can’t get interested in them. Katherine adores them, maybe enough for both.
  • Katherine shared that Joss and Kristine (Joyce) said these were their favorite episodes.
  • Katherine and Mark perform a scene between Jenny and Giles that got cut from the original. Then, follows a discussion about how Buffy lives such a precarious life. Every battle could be the last.
  • We can’t wait to hear what you all think of these two episodes. Do you remember if you predicted what would come next?

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  1. David OftheLegionoflisteners said...

    on 16 June 2017 @ 2:34 am

    Okay first,the Judge issue, he isn’t killed by the forged metal of the human made weapon. He is killed by the explosion. Now to dive into pedantry, the weapon isn’t a howitzer. A howitzer is a large artillery piece. According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database (Yes a real site), it is a M136 AT4, a type of anti tank should mounted rocket launcher. I never think of Saab as an arms dealer, but they make that.

    I’m wit Mark when it comes to Dru and Katherine when it comes to Spike. At this point in the series I was still a big fan of Spike. Spike is a fun multilayered character with shifting emotions and some versatility. Dru is just a slow talking drag on basically every scene she’s in. I think we’re all in agreement that Oz is pretty awesome.

    As far as shock, I watched most of the episodes wildly out of order my first time through, so obvious things were shocking and shocking things were obvious. I’m a poor judge of shock levels in the early seasons.

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  2. katherine said...

    on 17 June 2017 @ 1:39 am

    David, clearly you are right when you agree with me about Spike, and clearly you are wrong when you agree with Mark about Dru. I’m saddened that no one else is speaking up for Drusilla. I will try to fix that.

    Hmmm. I like my answer better about the weapon. I think I will side with Mark if it really is because of the explosion that the judge is killed.

    Did you receive some satisfaction in doing a rewatch? I’ve found great joy in great joy in rewatching shows I love when I finally understand why something happened.

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  3. David OftheLegionoflisteners said...

    on 18 June 2017 @ 1:11 am

    I’ve definitely been getting lots of satisfaction out of rewatching the series, but shock isn’t one of the emotions that carried over. The rest of the emotions tied up in this Angelus arc carried over nicely.

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  4. mark.w.schumann said...

    on 19 June 2017 @ 3:21 pm

    Exactly. Drusilla is a slow-talking drag. If you’re going to take up air time, you need to have something to say.

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